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Topic: «5.5 beta 4 incompatible with skype » on forum: Beta Testing   Views: 37972
moo tinys
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Posted: 01/27/2010 02:54:06
yes, but i have tested with extra disabled in skype settings:
Tools->option->advanced->automatically start extras, turned off
i've disabled 360safe, and no other antivirus software installed

btw, it's windows xp sp3 with latest patch here.
what kind of 3rd party software would affect this issue?
moo tinys
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Posted: 05/01/2010 22:55:41
still reproduced in 6.1beta1
i have uncheck all checkbox in "window setting" of actual window manager.
reproduced with either "skype" or "classic window" as "visual style of the window" in skype setting
skype is started as tray icon, not as a max/min/normal window with or without actual window manager.
i have skype extras disabled by unchecking "automatically start extras" in skype setting. i can see no extra listed skype's tools->extras menu

the only chance i can show skype is to stop actual window manager, or double left click skype tray icon like crazy when skype is starting up sigining in before it shows (or hide?) the window

i have no idea what i can provide you to reproduce the issue

lemme try to install one inside virtualbox
moo tinys
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Posted: 05/02/2010 14:16:54
i get the list of dll from procexp, there isn't much difference sadly

-Process: Skype.exe Pid: 3196
+Process: Skype.exe Pid: 3584

 Name   Description     Company Name    Version
-ADVAPI32.dll   Advanced Windows 32 Base API    Microsoft Corporation   5.1.2600.5755
+ADVAPI32.dll   Advanced Windows 32 Base API    Microsoft Corporation   5.1.2600.5512
 aimemb.dll     Actual Window Manager   Actual Tools
-bthprops.cpl   Bluetooth Control Panel Applet  Microsoft Corporation   5.1.2600.5512
 CLBCATQ.DLL            Microsoft Corporation   2001.12.4414.700
 comctl32.dll   User Experience Controls Library        Microsoft Corporation   6.0.2900.5512
@@ -50,33 +42,31 @@
 cryptui.dll    Microsoft Trust UI Provider     Microsoft Corporation   5.131.2600.5512
 devenum.dll    Device enumeration.     Microsoft Corporation   6.5.2600.5512
-DEVMGR.DLL     Device Manager MMC Snapin       Microsoft Corporation   5.1.2600.5512
 DNSAPI.dll     DNS Client API DLL      Microsoft Corporation   5.1.2600.5625
 DSOUND.dll     DirectSound     Microsoft Corporation   5.3.2600.5512
 dxdiagn.dll    Microsoft DirectX Diagnostic Tool       Microsoft Corporation   5.3.2600.5512
-fastprox.dll   WMI     Microsoft Corporation   5.1.2600.5755
+fastprox.dll   WMI     Microsoft Corporation   5.1.2600.5512
 GDI32.dll      GDI Client DLL  Microsoft Corporation   5.1.2600.5698
 gdiplus.dll    Microsoft GDI+  Microsoft Corporation   5.2.6001.22319
 hnetcfg.dll    Home Networking Configuration Manager   Microsoft Corporation   5.1.2600.5512
-iertutil.dll   Run time utility for Internet Explorer  Microsoft Corporation   8.0.6001.18904
+iertutil.dll   Run time utility for Internet Explorer  Microsoft Corporation   8.0.6001.18702
 IMAGEHLP.dll   Windows NT Image Helper Microsoft Corporation   5.1.2600.5512
 IMM32.DLL      Windows XP IMM32 API Client DLL Microsoft Corporation   5.1.2600.5512
 Iphlpapi.dll   IP Helper API   Microsoft Corporation   5.1.2600.5512
-irprops.cpl    Wireless Link Control Panel Applet      Microsoft Corporation   5.1.2600.5512
 kernel32.dll   Windows NT BASE API Client DLL  Microsoft Corporation   5.1.2600.5781
+KsUser.dll     User CSA Library        Microsoft Corporation   5.3.2600.5512
 LPK.DLL        Language Pack   Microsoft Corporation   5.1.2600.5512
 mapi32.dll     Extended MAPI 1.0 for Windows NT        Microsoft Corporation   1.0.2536.0
 midimap.dll    Microsoft MIDI Mapper   Microsoft Corporation   5.1.2600.5512
-MPR.dll        Multiple Provider Router DLL    Microsoft Corporation   5.1.2600.5512
 MSACM32.dll    Microsoft ACM Audio Filter      Microsoft Corporation   5.1.2600.5512
 msacm32.drv    Microsoft Sound Mapper  Microsoft Corporation   5.1.2600.0
 MSASN1.dll     ASN.1 Runtime APIs      Microsoft Corporation   5.1.2600.5875
 MSCTF.dll      MSCTF Server DLL        Microsoft Corporation   5.1.2600.5512
-msctfime.ime   Microsoft Text Frame Work Service IME   Microsoft Corporation   5.1.2600.5768
+msctfime.ime   Microsoft Text Frame Work Service IME   Microsoft Corporation   5.1.2600.5512
 msdmo.dll      DMO Runtime     Microsoft Corporation   6.5.2600.5512
 msimg32.dll    GDIEXT Client DLL       Microsoft Corporation   5.1.2600.5512
 MSOERT2.dll    Microsoft Outlook Express RT Lib        Microsoft Corporation   6.0.2900.5512
@@ -86,19 +76,19 @@
 mswsock.dll    Microsoft Windows Sockets 2.0 Service Provider  Microsoft Corporation   5.1.2600.5625
 NETAPI32.dll   Net Win32 API DLL       Microsoft Corporation   5.1.2600.5694
 Normaliz.dll   Unicode Normalization DLL       Microsoft Corporation   6.0.5441.0
-ntdll.dll      NT Layer DLL    Microsoft Corporation   5.1.2600.5755
-NTDSAPI.dll    NT5DS   Microsoft Corporation   5.1.2600.5582
+ntdll.dll      NT Layer DLL    Microsoft Corporation   5.1.2600.5512
+NTDSAPI.dll    NT5DS   Microsoft Corporation   5.1.2600.5512
 ODBC32.dll     Microsoft Data Access - ODBC Driver Manager     Microsoft Corporation   3.525.1132.0
-odbcbcp.dll    Microsoft BCP for ODBC  Microsoft Corporation   2000.85.3006.0
+odbcbcp.dll    Microsoft BCP for ODBC  Microsoft Corporation   2000.85.1132.0
 odbcint.dll    Microsoft Data Access - ODBC Resources  Microsoft Corporation   3.525.1117.0
 ole32.dll      Microsoft OLE for Windows       Microsoft Corporation   5.1.2600.5512
 oleacc.dll     Active Accessibility Core Component     Microsoft Corporation   4.2.5406.0
 oleaccrc.dll   Active Accessibility Resource DLL       Microsoft Corporation   4.2.5406.0
 oleaut32.dll           Microsoft Corporation   5.1.2600.5512
 olepro32.dll           Microsoft Corporation   5.1.2600.5512
-pdh.dll        Windows Performance Data Helper DLL     Microsoft Corporation   5.1.2600.5773
+pdh.dll        Windows Performance Data Helper DLL     Microsoft Corporation   5.1.2600.5512
 perfdisk.dll   Windows Disk Performance Objects DLL    Microsoft Corporation   5.1.2600.5512
 perfos.dll     Windows System Performance Objects DLL  Microsoft Corporation   5.1.2600.5512
 POWRPROF.dll   Power Profile Helper DLL        Microsoft Corporation   6.0.2900.5512
 PSAPI.dll      Process Status Helper   Microsoft Corporation   5.1.2600.5512
@@ -107,11 +97,11 @@
 rasman.dll     Remote Access Connection Manager        Microsoft Corporation   5.1.2600.5512
 RICHED20.DLL   Rich Text Edit Control, v3.0    Microsoft Corporation
 RPCRT4.dll     Remote Procedure Call Runtime   Microsoft Corporation   5.1.2600.5795
-rsaenh.dll     Microsoft Enhanced Cryptographic Provider       Microsoft Corporation   5.1.2600.5507
 rtutils.dll    Routing Utilities       Microsoft Corporation   5.1.2600.5512
 Secur32.dll    Security Support Provider Interface     Microsoft Corporation   5.1.2600.5834
+sensapi.dll    SENS Connectivity API DLL       Microsoft Corporation   5.1.2600.5512
 SETUPAPI.dll   Windows Setup API       Microsoft Corporation   5.1.2600.5512
-shell32.dll    Windows Shell Common Dll        Microsoft Corporation   6.0.2900.5853
+shell32.dll    Windows Shell Common Dll        Microsoft Corporation   6.0.2900.5686
 SHFolder.dll   Shell Folder Service    Microsoft Corporation   6.0.2900.5512
 SHLWAPI.dll    Shell Light-weight Utility Library      Microsoft Corporation   6.0.2900.5912
 Skype.exe      Skype   Skype Technologies S.A.
@@ -121,7 +111,7 @@
 SXS.DLL        Fusion 2.5      Microsoft Corporation   5.1.2600.5512
 TAPI32.dll     Microsoft(R) Windows(TM) Telephony API Client DLL       Microsoft Corporation   5.1.2600.5512
-URLMON.DLL     OLE32 Extensions for Win32      Microsoft Corporation   8.0.6001.18904
+URLMON.DLL     OLE32 Extensions for Win32      Microsoft Corporation   8.0.6001.18702
 USER32.dll     Windows XP USER API Client DLL  Microsoft Corporation   5.1.2600.5512
 USERENV.dll    Userenv Microsoft Corporation   5.1.2600.5512
 USP10.dll      Uniscribe Unicode script processor      Microsoft Corporation   1.420.2600.5512
@@ -133,14 +123,13 @@
 wbemprox.dll   WMI     Microsoft Corporation   5.1.2600.5512
 wbemsvc.dll    WMI     Microsoft Corporation   5.1.2600.5512
 wdmaud.drv     WDM Audio driver mapper Microsoft Corporation   5.1.2600.5512
-wininet.dll    Internet Extensions for Win32   Microsoft Corporation   8.0.6001.18904
+wininet.dll    Internet Extensions for Win32   Microsoft Corporation   8.0.6001.18702
 WINMM.dll      MCI API DLL     Microsoft Corporation   5.1.2600.5512
 winspool.drv   Windows Spooler Driver  Microsoft Corporation   5.1.2600.5512
 WINSTA.dll     Winstation Library      Microsoft Corporation   5.1.2600.5512
 wintrust.dll   Microsoft Trust Verification APIs       Microsoft Corporation   5.131.2600.5922
 wlanapi.dll    Windows Wireless LAN 802.11 Client Side API DLL Microsoft Corporation   5.1.2600.5512
 WLDAP32.dll    Win32 LDAP API DLL      Microsoft Corporation   5.1.2600.5512
-WMI.dll        WMI DC and DP functionality     Microsoft Corporation   5.1.2600.5512
 WS2_32.dll     Windows Socket 2.0 32-Bit DLL   Microsoft Corporation   5.1.2600.5512
 WS2HELP.dll    Windows Socket 2.0 Helper for Windows NT        Microsoft Corporation   5.1.2600.5512
 wshtcpip.dll   Windows Sockets Helper DLL      Microsoft Corporation   5.1.2600.5512

most of them are just version change, and which dll is what you interest?
moo tinys
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Posted: 05/03/2010 07:20:39
i spent days trying to reproduce it in virtualbox with no luck

a. install all xp hotfixes for guest
b. import HKCU registry from host to guest
c. compare services between host/guest

however i have the following test result
1. as i stated already, msi based installer will show most dialogs fine, but won't shows up the "installing progress" dialog for me
2. found another way to bring up skype:
when skype is starting up, i right click on the skype's tray icon, after it finish initializing, main window will show up with no problem
3. it seems actual window that may impact stability for my windows. sometimes alt+d won't work in explorer (which should focus address bar)
moo tinys
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Posted: 05/03/2010 08:06:02
i also tried using logging but it's not verbose enough.
i can see no difference in log between good and bad AWM+skype behavoir
maybe you can think of logging all detail, instead of just when rule is matched. it is acceptable that detail log will only avaiable inside a "debug" or "test" version

uncheck "Default settings", but "rule/exclusion name" is still "Default settings", i highly doubt this as a logging issue, as i'm sure it's AWM that did something incorrect so skype isn't showing up.

i finally workaround this problem by adding skype to exlcusion list
program: \Skype.exe
class: tSkMainForm.UnicodeClass
rule name: skype

"skype" is shown as exclusion name in log list finally
moo tinys
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Posted: 05/03/2010 08:20:38
btw, i used spy++ from vs2008. when skype isn't showing up its main window, i can still see the window in spy++, except that there's no visible style set. i cannot change the style as spy++ lack of such ability

would you pls add AWM this ability?
* list all windows, marking them visible/invisible
* users can toggle visibility

why is this feature important:
1. for windows that AWM failed to show it. well this is a bug should be fixed, but before the bug is gone we have the workarround
2. some windows is tray icon-ized by AWM, but AWM is killed by accident, SEGV, or whatever, just gone. i could not access to those windows ever again
3. reveal hidden windows design by application but users want to see it. just like some button is disabled and there is a button enabler program for us already

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